--> kmw (~youth@adsl-63-205-44-50.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #openacs would someone tell me how to get started with cvs which is running on our virtual server? kmw: what you can do, is cd to /web, then get the latest acs core, like this: cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@openacs.org:/cvsroot login then you'll be asked for a passwd it's blank; just hit enter then do cvs -z3 -d :pserver:anonymous@openacs.org:/cvsroot co acs-core it'll think a moment, then start pouring stuff in your /web dir... when it's done, you'll find a dir called openacs-4 in /web (note, cvs is a way of synchronizing development work between developers on a project, even if they're not located in the same area) is this documented somewhere that I can get it without trying to follow the moving screen with tiny type? yes the url to install the core and dotlrn is http://dotlrn.openforce.net/dotlrn/doc/dotlrn-install now, I'll get the other stuff into your log and when you do this, you might want to be in as nsadmin... OK, that's the process for getting the bare minimum core of openacs ok then you would pick a service name, and rename the directory to that service name (forexample, I have services musical, musical-stage, acscoredoctest... so I have grabbed from the cvs one time per, and renamed the dir each time, so I ended up with - /web/musical ok - /web/musical-stage - /web/acscoredoctest the next things you'd want to do is get a config file template and create the database jim do i log into openacs or am i connecting to it from the cvs on my server? the config file template is here: http://openacs.org/doc/openacs-4/files/openacs4.tcl.txt ok i've seen that file, before. kmw: with the cvs login? you're making a cvs login in order to get the software that's at openacs.org or my server? from your server to openacs.org it's kinda like ftp: first, you get to the machine and dir on that machine you want to transfer files to, then you do a cvs login from that machine to the place that has the software makes sense. where did you want to install this first? on one of Cathy's vservers? or machine at home? the dotLRN can go where ever you think it should be one of cathy's vservers. ok then: ok i'm going to stop logging now. but i'll be here to continue our conversation about this. ok, cool... kmw: ok, what would you like to call your first service? (unix name, that is) my first service? tell me what it can do. yes... /web/???? this is the dotLRN? sure, but we'll need to do some more cvsing to get everything needed ok let's call it. learn or what would you suggest? no problem ok, as nsadmin in the dir /web, mv openacs-4 learn i just started logging again. nsadmin in the dir /web mv openacs-4 learn also... you'll need to switch your postgres to 7.2.1 should I go change those two files as Cathy suggested so that it uses only the 7.2? lemme read that in detail... thanks if you are there already just do it, please. one sec ok one sec two sec three sec rock or jazzed. * CSari wanders back in. hi Cathy...Jim is doing his thing.....he says one sec. great Ken :) I think he's looking at the postresql 7.2 as per your instructions. I checked them out and found everything right where you said they'd be. I'm still a little chicken in editing those particular files so I hope he will just edit them when he looks at them. we only need the 7.2 verion as far as i know. Hi... almost switched... 7.2.1 running fabuouts! you *will* need to edit files ultimately ken. it can't all be done by http :) It's mainly because I do not want to waste Jim's time if I do not get it right. I've edited them before but not when others needed it to work. I realize it's not that hard but it is very specific. I good with details so I should be ok. I'm glad that you (Cathy) stopped by as well. ok :) is someone editing .bash_profile@caltek? not me. do you mean right now? not me. i would have touched it last night. yeah... I'm on the server but not editing anything. ok, reason I ask, is there seems to be a lock on the file nsadmin's? or postgres'? nsadmin so... I didn't want to edit at the same time as another person :) i just logged out. ken: and, even scarier, you may need to run psql from time to time :-) let's not talk about it unless you have some instructions for me to follow. i think you're clear jim. i only see one ssh connection active (and ken's that just got closed) ok it looks to me like an aborted emacs session if it were vi, that'd be me. -rw-r--r-- 1 nsadmin nsadmin 198 Jul 24 14:13 ./#.bash_profile# Tue Aug 20 17:08:05 EDT 2002 weirdness. nuke it. gone. CSari: take a look at the new version... could be something you could use, if you'll be doing similar operations in the future nice thinking jim :) oop, except there's somethihg wrong there, much better... now, when nsadmin runs psql, it's the 7.2.1 one davb: you here? what else... CSari: on your vservers, is /web normally owned by root? hmm.. seems to be on that one. let me give it to nsadmin.web. hmm, my session froze mine too :( back up. net bobble, looks like. there we go one sec... i like yje one secs... want it chowned, jim? heh :) umm... it would be good if it's like your other vservers there. now owned by nsadmin.web. cool... bubbleagain ick :( it';s back I'm still up here. routing to miami might be funky today. hmmm... jim - looks like mroe than a bobble. i've got my upstream looking into it. ok, something came up... I need to leave for about 20 mins anyways... poor guy. *I* call him about as fast as his alert goes off. I wanna finish making sure the pg installation uses just the 7,2 stuff itr came up huh. figures. ok, did everything for switching postgres except edit caltek.tcl bbi abt 20 mins jim and cathy i have to go to work. i'll check in when i can.\ bye ken <-- kmw has quit ("caltek.arcornhosting.net") <-- candy has quit () (end of first session) --> kmw (kmw@66-81-79-47-modem.o1.com) has joined #openacs jim are you here? looks like Cathy is is as well. or does this mean that they left their machines on? talli can you see this? kmw: they all pretty much leave their machines logged in. davb I have a problem with starting postgres can you be of any assistance? Starting PostgreSQL: pg_ctl: Another postmaster may be running. Trying to start postmaster anyway. pg_ctl: cannot start postmaster hmmm. its not running? do ps -A see if there is a postmaster listed. how do i do that? type ps -A that lists the running processes. yes 3 of them ok. so it is running. that means that postgres is running? yes. postmaster is the name of the postgres process. ok. what I get on the website is: OpenACS could not allocate a handle from database pool "pool2". so the database is running Hi Peter, your post on tclwebtest was really interesting...going to look into that as soon as I can. thank you kmw interesting. now you need to see if aolserver is connecting to the database, it looks like it is not. check your error log. ok. where is it? kmw: when do you get that error message, what are you doing? kmw: not sure, depends on the setup. possibly /usr/local/aolserver/log/servername-error.log whey I go to http://caltek.acornhosting.net ok. you have you installed openacs yet? Cathy installed it and it was working when I left it but Jim and Cathy were working on it. i'm in the log file, now. ok. what are you using to look at it? pico... ok, i have no clue how to run that ;) go to the end and search backwards for the error. ok --> k (HCUF@66-81-76-93-modem.o1.com) has joined #openacs davb-lost my connection ah. k you need to search back to when the server starts in the error-log to see what happens when the pgdriver loads. perhaps search for postgres.so good idea...i think i need to switch it to postgres721.so ah. I'm finally there after going around twice this is kmw davb. it's listing me as k k: ok, did you search for the postgres.so? [-main-] Notice: nsmain: AOLserver/3.3.1+ad13 exiting <-- kmw has quit (Connection timed out) davb kmw is now k with error message: [-main-] Notice: nsmain: AOLserver/3.3.1+ad13 exiting i have not been able to figure out whe the postgresdrv loads. I see lots of aolserver but no postgres stuff k look for this: [20/Aug/2002:19:22:34][24063.1024][-main-] Notice: modload: loading '/usr/local/ [20/Aug/2002:19:22:34][24063.1024][-main-] Notice: PostgreSQL loaded. the last date is 12/aug or something like this where it connects to the pools: [20/Aug/2002:19:22:34][24063.1024][-main-] Notice: Database API: The following p ools are available: subquery main log [20/Aug/2002:19:22:34][24063.1024][-main-] Notice: dbdrv: opening database 'post gres:localhost::design' [20/Aug/2002:19:22:34][24063.1024][-main-] Notice: Opening design on localhost [20/Aug/2002:19:22:34][24063.1024][-main-] Notice: Ns_PgOpenDb(postgres): Openn ed connection to localhost::design. okI found a /usr/local/aolserver/postgres.so <-- k (HCUF@66-81-76-93-modem.o1.com) has left #openacs (2nd session) --> kmw (~youth@adsl-63-205-44-50.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #openacs mornin. morin how are you? I got ma coffee :) we'll see soon :) I'm not sure I'm qualified to answer that in my precoffee state :) oops Well we will see. actuallly, doin good yourself? jim: fixed rbm: trying... well...I'm not sure until we see where we are at. what's happening now, is we're almost ready to go... l got up early and tried to do some thing like get postgres72 working - your 7.2.1 postgres is running, and will start every time the machine is rebooted I was not that successfull....so Cathy did some things about an hour ago. out of the email i was just typing to Ken: I edited /etc/passwd to tell postgres to use /usr/local/pgsql721 as it's home directory. I edited /etc/init.d/postgresql to point to the right directory. I edited /usr/local/aolserver/caltek.tcl to point to the right postgres driver. I convinced the postmaster that was running to stop (several kills), and started the new one. I double checked that nsadmin's ~/.bash_profile was correctly set to use the new files (it was). I edited /usr/local/aolserver/nsd- (actually, in a few spots I think i found that Jim had already taken care of it, so i just checked that it was right.) - the startup configs of both the nsadmin and postgres users were adjusted to understand the place where postgres was installed, stopped and restarted the postmaster, and that's where I left it... so... ready to go from here? I saw that jim in the caltek-error.log yes of courcs. * CSari waves and leaves the two of you to it. CSari: Hi! :) thanks :) thanks Cathy CSari: if you can, you might keep an eye on what we're doing... kmw: ok, log into the server as nsadmin (note, nsadmin is what was chosen here as the admin user for aolserver, partly so it doesn't have to run as root) oh, you should start logging too :) both things done..logged in and loggin ok... I'll repeat the informational passage into your log (note, nsadmin is what was chosen here as the admin user for aolserver, partly so it doesn't have to run as root) I do understand why not to login as root unless one has too. and one reason for aolserver not running as root is the same reason ok, take a look at the bin dir do you notice something not related to aolserver in there? postgres721.so yes, and postgres.so right this is actually a connector between the two to facilitate scripted communication scripted communication...ok is that both ways? if you look thru caltek.tcl, you will find a reference to postgres721.so (in the place where postgres.so once was) or bi-directional scripted communications yes, in the sense that aolserver sends questions and requests to alter, and postgres sends back answers and responses this is oversimplistic, but you might look at postgres used in this context as aolserver's scratchpad OK. I see ns_param postgres i hope that it didn't just freeze up but it's not responding to the cursor I wanted you to at least see this file; as you build more servers, you will get more adept at altering this file to suit new servers hmmm... checking I was in here yesterday and I did see the postgres.so references I think in 2 places. rbm: commit worked this time ok it was me...i was in search mode. ahh :) ok, cool... now, if you look nearer to the top of the file, you will see things like the name and address of the server... typically, you'd edit here to make a new server... ok, now, I want to archive this script, so we can clone servers so, copy the file, howbout like this: ok I see set server, set db_name, set servername, set serverroot cp caltek.tcl openacs-local-template.tcl.txt done ok, cool... could you show me the output of ls /service? no such file or directory hmm, ok np... (ken's server isn't set up for daemon tools. he has /etc/init.d/aolserver and /etc/init.d/postgresql doing that job) not sure what np means. "no problem" :) CSari: ahh :) is it presently started? looks like both are running, yes how do we check that? (top) thanks...i see or netstat -an would show you that they were both listening. or "ps" :-) kmw: ok, now visit your site from your browser ok i;'m there, now. what do you see? i see two instances of postgress running oic... I'm logged in as site admin ok... so if they're running... we could take a look at what they're doing... great! using netscape, look at the site (if I recall correctly, it's on port 80) ok i loaded the e-commerce module...i looked at it. (NOTE here... this is not the dotlrn yet; it's your acs-4.5 install, which we can look at as a test) ok kmw: so, you can log into your server? via ssh and via http good :) that's a pretty good acceptance test... I'm the only user now, we will grab dotlrn and get that going i'm ready I think! yeah I am. CSari: what do you think about putting daemontools on? kmw: ok, as nsadmin, cd /web sure. you want me to do that now? are they similar to webmin? yes, maam :) please :) kmw - nope. :) ok I'm at /.web ok, doing daemontools install. I'm at /web kmw: we'll describe that later... for now, look at it as a watcher that keeps your servers up as nsadmin on caltek ok... with that web browser, go to dotlrn.openforce.net that will be great.... and I'll go there too ok I'm at dotlrn.openforce.net in netscape you should see a link called * how to download and install dotLRN click that the first thing we're going to do, is get openacs core... I did this this morning and it only takes me to the contents then, we're going to get some more packages should I clicked on dotLRN FAQs (which are also part of openacs) no, stay right there... the instructions for getting are right underneath and finally, we'll get the dotlrn core... the good old scroll bar. it was early this morning. :) as far as I know, your server is prepared up to the point of doing the cvs commands... so, we'll start with that right now (when I did this, I just copied the lines from the web page...) folks, can i kill the aolserver currently running? Jim I have about 35 min before I need to leave for a 1pm apointment yes Cathy ok... that ought to be enuf time great! I'll copy the commands here cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@openacs.org:/cvsroot login (you should be in /web) ok this is from the ssh, right? yes it will ask for a password there is none just hit enter ok i'm at the $ ok now do this... cvs -z3 -d :pserver:anonymous@openacs.org:/cvsroot checkout acs-core this will produce a lot of output just wait it out... when it completes, let me know it's still going. done ok do an ls you should see a new dir called openacs-4 i see caltek openacs-4 (caltek is now under daemontools control.) fabulous! thanks Csari openacs-4 now contains an openacs, just like caltek does yesterday, you chose the name "learn" still wanna go with that? thats fine mv openacs-4 learn do i need to create learn first? no openacs-4 will change its name to learn when you do that ok i must have typed it wrong the first time. it did change the same name ok, so now when you ls you see caltek learn? yes excellent :) this is fun now, we need some extra packages from openacs to support the dotlrn ok I loaded all of the ones that were initially available. cvs -z3 -d :pserver:anonymous@openacs.org:/cvsroot co acs-datetime acs-developer-support acs-events acs-mail-lite attachments bulk-mail calendar faq file-storage forums general-comments news notifications ref-timezones user-preferences wait... don't do that yet :) I forgot, first do: cd learn/packages ok. then do that big cvs command the first or second one? this one: cvs -z3 -d :pserver:anonymous@openacs.org:/cvsroot co acs-datetime acs-developer-support acs-events acs-mail-lite attachments bulk-mail calendar faq file-storage forums general-comments news notifications ref-timezones user-preferences need my glasses...1 min. ok... * CSari goes back to playing with bookmarks. this is to get the extra packages from openacs to support the dotlrn that we'll get from a different cvs server right after this is done... ok it listed 2 screens of commads...i should check what i typed. if you like, I can email you this command if that would make it easier to cut/paste it into the cvs... OR I could put it in a file on the server,,, you can look at it, then run it either way. ok, it looks like i typed it right. ok, you can give it a shot :) kmw: I like doing things that might have lots of output inside an emacs shell buffer - it facilitates checking what happened :-)